A thought.

Sep. 27th, 2010 02:27 pm
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If the gods have "more important things to do" than to "grant wishes", why bother praying to them at all? No point in requesting their assistance when sick or poor, in good times or bad. Actually they wouldn't sound much like gods, would they? It'd be like writing family members, never hearing a response back and having no contact from them whatsoever. Why bother? I'd write them off. What's a deity to such people, anyhow?

I am beginning to think there are some people who really ought to have stuck to either atheism or Evangelical Christianity.
kyrene: (Default)
(created by me back in 8/05)

I am the very model of a Hellenist individual
My festivals are derived entirely from Burkert et al
I'm quite adept at reconstructing Hellenismos theory from what I have read
From Walter Otto, Jane Harrison, and everything Kerenyi has ever said

Many Hellenists I have emailed and in person have met
And all of their Hellenic wisdom I understand and jokes I of course do get
I've even told fluffy bunnies to go fly a kite
From Robert Graves to Bulfinch I've told them to go and get it right

I keep all of the other recons on their toes
I quote page and chapter from Walter Burkert and watch as their confusion grows!
I even keep quotes memorized from Karl Kerenyi
Even though the idea of Hades and Dionysos being the same doesn't agree with me

I know all of the names and traits of the gods, nature spirits, even Furies,
Then to impress them all I can recite a book from W.K.C. Gutherie
I have just about every book on Hellenismos imaginable
Including Old Stones, New Temples written by Drew Campbell

You see from all reconstructionist festival and ritual
I am the very model of a Hellenist individual!


Jul. 29th, 2010 10:27 am
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I tried doing this a while back, but it rather fell through. I'm going to try again.

I want to form a group devoted to Artemis for the benefit of supporting women (both cis and trans) who have undergone assault, abuse, and/or gender discrimination.

I'd like the group to do community work, fundraisers, that sort of thing. Fundraisers could include things like publishing hymns and stories about the goddess and donating the proceeds to a related charity of choice. I have publishing connections that can help us out in this arena and give us the capacity to be both in print and e-book.

This will not be about tiara-chasing, priest(ess)ing, feathers in your cap, or what-have-you. It'll be about doing *work*.

If you're interested, leave me a message here or email me at kyrene(at)gmail(dot)com. This group will be open to anyone regardless of where you fall on the pagan/Hellenismos/recon/whatever line, I truly don't care. The cause is what matters. The only thing I insist is that a safe space is supported for anyone who joins up, as they may be survivors themselves.

I will be crossposting this to the usual places so if you see it more than once, bear with me. :)

Ah ha.

Jul. 28th, 2010 05:05 pm
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After great thought and deliberation, I'm going to reopen my personal LJ. This LJ was (and still is) a blog of my thoughts in regards to the gods, a place to put essays.

I want to keep it that way. I have a Tumblr account which crossposts to Twitter which crossposts to Facebook, and the moment I find a way for any of these services to crosspost to here I'm going to get it.




And now...the personal LJ:

Please note: if I don't add you at first, it doesn't necessarily mean that I don't like you or don't want to correspond with you. It probably just means I want to chat with you first before adding. Default for postings on there is friends only, and for obvious reasons I kinda like my space. :)
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I haven't posted in ages. I've been too busy with my writing career, primary career, spiritual work, and lots of crazy events surrounding any and all of the above. Most of my activity has been around HI these days and its local events/members.

Hence why I was not only surprised but deeply touched when I found myself nominated and later declared winner of the AOTSC.TDC HPF Hellenic Pagan Community Service Award.

Stunned wouldn't quite cover my reaction. I don't think I've gotten a single award or any sort of formal recognition from the moment I first started HP. I never really expected one. Heck, I didn't even know that they existed.

I left the majority of my participation online mostly due to politics, burnout, and the feeling that nothing I did went noticed or even mattered. Aside from people in HI and my occasional posts to some of the lists, I'm fairly quiet these days. Unless you knew me locally you wouldn't know I've been up to much as of late.

I'm...extremely touched, amazed, and more than a tad humbled...that anyone saw fit to nominate me, that anyone appreciated any of the work I've done.... I wouldn't know where to begin. Especially when I'm the most inactive and unnoticed from the online community as I've ever been. Beyond HI and doing local stuff, I haven't done very much recently. I can't recall the last time I updated my websites, but I get asked about them all of the time. It's odd that I got noticed somehow when I did everything possible over the past few years to not be noticed--quite delibrately, in fact.

Anyhow...to whoever did, thanks. I deeply appreciate it. It means a lot to me.


Aug. 6th, 2008 10:23 am
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This is an example of seriously over the top satire written about members of the Hellenic community, and I'm happy to say that we (myself and various others in the Hellenic community) are far, far too mature for this.

I am sharing only because I really think people should know that this sorta stuff is being written, and this is an example of a level we really shouldn't be stooping to.

I am not saying where I found it posted because I'm above that sort of thing. I am not one to be a tattletale.

Mildly not work safe )
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It's funny. Most of people who run around screaming negative stuff about HI actually have NO clue what we're about.

- They don't know we have ordained priests in the faith who perform weddings and religious ceremonies
- They don't know we have local groups who gather together for ceremonies, libations, and various events
- They have no clue that we do charitable acts in the name of the gods
- They have no idea that we have various orders devoted to specific gods, their worship, and mystical and spiritual practices surrounding them
- They have zero clue that we have outreach programs running and in the works
- They don't know that we engage in fitness programs keeping arete in mind (Olympics, anyone?)
- They have no idea that we're recognized by state and federal governments as a legitimate religious organization.

In short...they don't really know anything. :)

But that's okay. HI and Spira are the only Hellenic orgs I respect these days. The rest I feel either indifference for, or contempt.

I just don't have the time to spend arguing on the Internet and acting as PR in the Hellenic community for Everyone Who Actually Does Shit. In truth, I'm too busy Doing Shit.

What a concept. :)

Consider this post to be the only time I'll comment on this, and I'll just link to it whenever someone else decides to leave anonymous posts in my LJ whining about this or that. I'll even add it to memories.
kyrene: (Maenad with thyrsos)
HellenicPagan started out as a generic place for ALL people who worship the Greek gods--and even people who worshipped Roman gods were welcome too. It was never a "strictly recon" place and for people who wanted that, I started Hellenismos-L.

I don't like the idea of using the term Hellenismos to mean "recon Hellenic religion". You can practice Hellenic religion without being recon. In fact, I'm in favor of ditching the label altogether. We don't NEED to reconstruct anything anymore--we have all of the information we need to start actually worshipping right here and right now without having to constantly check musty old academic texts written by Christians attempting to interpret pagan rituals through Christian eyes and paradigms.

I don't recall the last time I called myself a recon. When I first began in such practices, it was to build a foundation for practice. The foundation is already there. We can stop pretending we still don't know enough to practice our own faith. Everything we have is right here.

I like HI because we're not only doing mystical stuff but we're also doing practical stuff right in the real world. THIS is where practice becomes reality: when your practices are indistinguishable from your day to day life. It just becomes a part of who you are throughout your day.

End semi rant. :)
kyrene: (DW: Bad wolf)
Dear Pixelated Looney-Toon,

No, I will not worship you in your self-created hero cult. I'm too busy worshipping Apollo by drinking bay leaf tea while performing tarot readings in his honor--on a four legged chair, no less. Or sometimes while seated on a floor with NO CHASM BENEATH ME. This makes me ineligible to worship you, and leaves me rather thankful at that. The day I will worship a human being is the day I leave Hellenism for Catholicism, sell my house and all of my possessions, and quit my job to join the circus. I'd much rather stick to my AIM nicks like "Pythia777" so people like you can rant about how you won't let me join your self-created hero cult so I can worship you and make statues in your honor and offerings and shit. Because clearly *I'M* the crazy one for performing tarot readings and worshipping gods instead of people and for not starting hero cults for myself.

Yes, crazy! Batshit! I am a LUUUUUNATIC! %-) O_o :-O


Nothing but pure purple prose and passionately poignant agape for you,
Kyrene "Pythia777" Ariadne

PS The tarot cards have DRAGONS on them. You know, winged serpents.
PPS I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry.
kyrene: (DW: What idiot caffeinated the Doctor?)
I have nothing new to report, except that the majority of my encounters with Greek deities these days in regards to life's influences and all that appear to be mostly Hermes and Hekate these days. I REALLY like Hekate. I need to spend more time communing with her.

I've also been involved in a number of small to medium local HI events, including a very well done wedding performed by one of our members. It's nice to hang out with people and do Greek stuff from time to time. I only wish I could get over my desire to be solitary. I think that dealing with Hellenic drama for 10+ years completely burnt me out on Hellenic orgs, groups, and what-have-you.

My wish list for the community these days? For some of them to gain the ability to laugh at themselves and not take either themselves or their faith too seriously. I think that they would be able to relax more and enjoy their faith better before they burn out as badly as I did. I think certain individuals are long overdue to lose their minds, crash, or convert to xyz religion.

(PS Yes, I have a sense of humor about myself... and thank the gods for it. It prevents me from caving into that mentality which craves greater creativity and imagination... )

I also feel VERY badly for the people who continue to angst over their connection to this god, that pantheon, this aspect of the religion--all the while getting drawn towards it while kicking and screaming. Why do you hate an aspect of yourself so much as to give yourself much undeserved drama?

This is why I abandoned dogma ages ago--it kills my soul. :P And I've seen what it does to others, and it's never positive. Anyhow, I've long felt that while Apollo's motto is "know thyself" and Dionysos is clearly "be thyself" I think Hermes' is "understand thyself".

Meanwhile, I am WAY overdue on my Order of Hekate of HI homework and Spira stuff. The job search and change took a lot out of me, and an entire month has come and gone. I've gotten NO book edits done. I have, however, done quite a bit on getting back into a nice health program for myself, including eating better and doing yoga almost daily--plus have been meditating every night which is wonderful.

Today I run off to VT to a funeral which is being held early tomorrow morning. It's not going to be fun and I think there'll be a lot of drinking afterwards. But I'm Irish and it needs to be done.


May. 9th, 2008 11:31 pm
kyrene: (Maenad with thyrsos)
I just read all of my past entries on here. Wow, was I burnt out. I am glad that I got removed from everything in regards to the Hellenic community for a time because I frankly needed it and a little perspective. Of course I had both good and bad incentives along the way to get myself removed, but hey--such is life.

So...the question is...what have I been up to?

Fantastic question. Allow me to bullet point in no particular order:

Cut for length... )

Can I be honest? I'm the happiest I've been in a LONG time. I finally know where I'm going and where I'd like to go--and where I feel that I would best accomplish my True Will, which being that it is aligned with that of my gods' Will is ultimately where I belong.

So I'm okay. I'd like to start having thoughts in here on my spiritual practice, the gods, my mystical life and where that is all going. I don't expect to be hugely open about some things as it's too personal to share, but I'll try to share what I can.
kyrene: (Maenad with thyrsos)
This whole incident with the books and all reminds me of why I nearly left the Hellenic community for good, and I'm once again questioning why I came back and didn't stay gone.

Basically it comes down to this:

1) I had a lot of people who put me up on a pedestal
2) I had a lot of people who resented me being put up on a pedestal
3) I had a lot of people who resented the people who resented me being put on a pedestal
4) I had a lot of people whom I thought were friends that in actuality just got an ego kick from being my friend, and quickly turned into bitter enemies when they couldn't share the pedestal or quickly discovered that I am in fact human and not whatever strange personage they projected upon me.

I never wanted to be up on a pedestal to begin with. All I had wanted to do from the start was find others like myself who worshipped the Greek gods, and start a "church" for ourselves, for the lack of a better term. It all snowballed from there.

None of the original founders of Hellenion or the veterans of the Hellenic community are around anymore. I can't say that I blame them for not being around, and with the bad apples in the bunch that we have, I wouldn't blame anyone right now for quitting and leaving, going solitary, or both. I happen to know of numerous solitaries who have avoided being involved in the Hellenic community all because they have watched how others act towards me.

I don't know why some people desire fame; fame sucks and it makes your life utterly miserable. I like having my life to myself. You may notice I never really post about my personal life on here, and there's a reason for that--I used to get stalked and harassed by members of my religious community who were searching for "dirt" for their latest tabloid. Ask me sometime about how a vampire online RPG based on a book I have coming out (yes, actually published and not self-published, either!) turned into "Kyrene thinks she's a 200 year old vampire, an Avatar of Apollo, and 'the' Pythia," et cetera. I think just from that sentence alone you'll get what I mean.

Somewhere along the way, I met genuine friends in the community who neither put me up on a pedestal nor resented me because others kept putting me up on one. I had the opportunity to get in touch tonight with a former member of this community--namely, Drew--and we did a quick catching up in the midst of my apologizing for him getting in the middle of this bullshit high school drama. It was a good thing, and like I said in the last post, I wish that it had been under better circumstances.

For people like him who have remained in this community, I have stuck around and tried to find corners of this place worth being involved in. Thus far to my knowledge, Hercules Invictus, Spira, and Dadoukhoi are the only non-drama inducing and generally all round good Hellenic orgs online and off that I have been involved with so far. I wish I could say that there were more. I wish we had more leaders and less followers. But truth be told, we are VERY small and of course are not going to have a lot in the way of varieties and flavors of organizations which have not been poisoned thus far by a bunch of tiara-seeking, histrionic sycophants.

I've been begged on and off again to start another org and I can't help but think to myself, "Why would I want to undergo that torture AGAIN?" I put up with enough shit right now; why put myself back into the spotlight? I gave it up for good reasons. I gave up my religious NAME to get away from all of that shit, from everything that people associated with me as Kyrene, and the whole nine yards.

I don't want to change who I am for these drama-seeking irritants, and I don't want to give up who I am for them, either. It always seems to me that one decision after another in regards to my identity in the religious community has been influenced in some way, shape or form by others in the community--and it shouldn't be. It should be influenced by the nudgings of my gods and my Agathos Daimon who sometimes masks himself as my inner voice of wisdom.

Sometimes it's hard to hear that voice over the noise of the drama, and when I can't hear that voice, I can't be who I truly am. I can only be someone who simply reacts to people around her under such circumstances, and I am not that person.

At some point I need to just sit down with myself and realize that yes, I'm hurt and still hurting. I've been hurt by too many people whom I have long realized only liked the person whom they wanted me to be and not who I really am. I have a list of names in my head who have disappointed, hurt, and even verbally abused me and in spite of my repeated attempts to reconcile continued to fire their venom.

I have no one to blame but myself if I continue to hang onto that, and only myself to blame if I wind up in that situation again as their continued enabler for their own personal drama and petty bullshit. It gives them a power they do not deserve, and in the end, I am no one's person but my own.

I think at some point tonight after I go on my eliptical this evening, I will be doing a serious, hardcore invocation to Dionysos tonight. I need to have a nice, good, long chat with him.
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Drew actually contacted me back, so apparently Julia actually wasn't lying about that. I'm kinda glad because I missed chatting with the guy--but kinda sad because it's a shame he had to contact me under such circumstances.

Basically, I was right--the books WERE given to the Demos. I did not hallucinate about his intentions. But apparently he had sent a letter to the Prutaneis saying that should the Demos dissolve, the books should either go to another Demos or to the national body.

So, that left me with the following choices:

1) Don't give the books back, and deny Drew's wishes in that regard. I think he's suffered enough bullshit and drama without having to revisit this crap again anymore than he honestly has to, and I didn't want to go there.

2) Give the books to Julia.

3) Give the books to another member. The closest one besides Julia is in PA so that was out of the question.

4) Ship the books to someone. Given there are a couple of hundred, not feasible.

5) Rejoin Hellenion and start a proto-Demos, thus keeping the library in the Hellenion sphere. I sincerely doubt they'd accept my app if I did, so that option was out.

6) Get a friend to get the books off of my hands and give them back to Julia, preferably someone with a truck because I don't have small crates to put them in--only large boxes.

#6 won.

I know that many of you won't be happy by this, given the shit that she gave me and the continued "oathbreaker" and "liar" accusations. I'm doing this for Drew, not her. I happen to like Drew and think he got dragged into enough bullshit politics by dealing with this crap ON TOP OF what he dealt with when he left, so call me a compassionate soul.

It was interesting, thinking about rejoining Hellenion for even a few minutes. I'm not sure I would want to go back, nor if I would have anything to gain. I'd like to eventually reconcile with the people there at some point, but I don't think that they have it in them to do so. Julia clearly has issues of her own, as do a few of them there--and those particular individuals are all in positions of leadership.

Maybe the simplest approach is just to not deal with them at all. Personally, after this incident, I'm happier than ever that I left when I did, and I honestly can't believe that two years later I'm still getting dragged into their bullshit. At the same time, I'm also sad because it's a chapter in my life that I had high hopes for--maybe too high. Maybe I expected too much from the wrong kinds of people.
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My reply to her latest email to me, which continues to call me a liar and claims that my contact info has been sent to Drew:


I'm cc'ing the two others who have sent me your emails, as I'm done
with the secrecy bullshit behind my back.

Julia, you have been welcome for the past TWO YEARS to come by and
take those books, and you never once bothered. Two years is a more
than reasonable length of time, and when you didn't contact me about
them since August 22, 2005 (yes that was the last email exchange about
them), I had assumed that you had lost interest. Now you're
attempting to take them by force by pretending that I have denied your
request. I have ALL of the emails saved of our exchange, with
timestamps, and how I said "Yes, please, take them off my hands!
It'll be more space for me." I can send them to anyone who wishes to
see them for precisely what had occurred two years ago, as now
suddenly I'm an "oathbreaker" and a "liar".

Drew has two weeks to contact me to let me know that he has either
changed his mind about their destination (that they were meant for the
organization Hellenion and not the Demos itself), or I have somehow
misinterpreted his request, or I will be donating all of the books to
a used bookstore. Two weeks at this point after waiting *two years*
for you, Julia, is a more than reasonable length of time. If you are
really in contact with him, please let him know this. Feel free to
pass that information along to the Prutaneis as well, since they are
so concerned about this situation.

I am posting this publically because at this point, I have absolutely nothing to hide, and I'm done with her sneaking around with her cowardly threats behind my back. Drew has two weeks to contact me. If he's truly been in touch with her, I welcome renewing our contact as well as showing him all of the emails that took place in '05 in regards to this whole bullshit situation.
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My reply to Julia's bullshit. If you're really sick of this drama already, feel free to skip.

my email... )
kyrene: (Default)
Understanding is a three edged sword. Your side, their side and the truth."
- Sheridan in Babylon 5

Fact: Drew Campbell gave me a ton of crates containing books as a donation to start a Demos library back in 2003.

Fact: I was the keeper of said library until the Demos' dissolution back in 2005, and the books have remained and continue to be in my possession.

Fact: I was contacted by a former member of the then-and-now defunct Demos asking to have some of the books.

Fact: I replied in return that I was in the process of moving and since I don't have enough space for all of them as far as shelving, they were welcome to pick up a box or two for themselves if they so desired.

Fact: Said individual never came.

Fact: People whom I knew produced emails from said individual which were essentially stabbing me in the back and talking negatively about me without bringing it to me personally.

Fact: I quietly dissolved contact with said individual, figuring that it was that person's loss anyway.

Fact: Almost two years later, said individual is now running around behind my back claiming that I "stole" the books, is calling me an oathbreaker, has invoked Themis against me and is claiming that she will have me arrested.

Fact: This person is a former President of Hellenion.

Fact: I have not received one email from this individual this whole time, and have heard about all of these accusations from the forwarded emails which have been received by me from people whom I know both online and off, swearing all sorts of legalities against me for not giving to her books which a) she has no legal claim over and b) were meant to be gifts to begin with.

Fact: I am sick to death of histrionic sycophants masquerading as good people in this community. You want the books, Julia? You contact me personally so I can tell you off face to face about what a two-faced scumbag you are. But as always, you never have the guts for confrontation. You are all talk, you with your accusations of "oathbreaking." By Apollo, I have sworn no oaths to you, sweetheart. I have, however, sworn an oath to be virtuous and compassionate at all times. I can easily turn around and sue you for character defamation, but I won't. I am a bigger person than that.

Edit: It gets better. According to her, Hellenion AND Drew will be sending me a letter with the legal threat enclosed.
kyrene: (Default)
No new things for Hellenists! The ancients found them scary and therefore so must we. After all we should model ourselves after them in order to be good Hellenists and not incur the wrath of the gods!

No more Livejournal, emailing lists, or computers for us. Or you're not a real reconstructionist. And you risk the wrath of the gods.

Just remember to say NO to the wrath of the gods! Ban all new things!!
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Courtesy of [livejournal.com profile] ravendreamer, I give you...the Hellenic community in VB.NET!

do until EndOfTime=true
Neopagan.Assert(not Culture=Worship)

kyrene: (Default)
Interesting conversation with a few people in private email begs this question:

For those in the Hellenic community or Hellenists in general: what sorts of things do you think we need to focus on in order to ensure that our traditions pass on to the next generations? What is important to pass down, get done, or otherwise leave behind?
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You're so vain,
You probably think this post is about you,
You're so vain,
You probably think this post is about you, don't you, don't you?


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